LDS Temple Endowment and Masonry | Ep. 1669 | LDS Discussions Ep. 23
Join Mike and John as they discuss Mormonism’s early connection with Masonry through Joseph Smith and the unique problems it creates for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to grapple with today.
Covered topics include the timeline of Joseph becoming a Master Mason before introducing the similarly-themed rituals of the Temple Endowment Ceremony, why many members and apologists claim Masonry to be of ancient origin despite evidence to the contrary, the many parallels between the secret rituals of both organizations, and whether or not the Temple Endowment involved false doctrines.
LDS Discussion Essay on the Temple & Masonry: http://ldsdiscussions.com/temple
LDS Discussions Playlist: Joseph Smith and Treasure Digging | E...
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:50 What we will and won’t cover in this episode
00:04:35 Timeline of Joseph Smith becoming a Mason and the endowment
00:07:30 The church’s “Now you know” video on Masonry and the Temple
00:10:20 Trying to normalize Masonry in 19th century America
00:12:45 The church implies that Masonry had a divine origin
00:16:04 Early members believed it was divine because Joseph said it was
00:21:19 More quotes about Masonry being the original endowment
00:22:15 Two more quotes on the endowment and masonry
00:24:15 Joseph taught masonry was the endowment - He was wrong
00:28:57 Even the church admit the lines of history and myth were blurred
00:36:00 The church seeks to explain why Joseph used surrounding ideas
00:36:30 The church can no longer deny Joseph used surrounding ideas
00:38:15 A quick recap of ideas Joseph took from his milieu
00:43:10 Similarities and difference between masonry and the endowment
00:47:35 Trying to have it both ways on the Masonic connections
00:51:00 The Masonic text before receiving the tokens/grips
00:57:40 These are not just “parallels” as the church declares
01:02:45 More parallels to the Masonic ceremony
01:06:30 The Five Points of Fellowship (now removed)
01:09:00 Penalties for revealing the signs and tokens (mostly removed)
01:10:05 Penalty #1 - Having my throat cut across
01:11:50 Penalty #2 - Having your heart plucked out
01:12:45 Penalty #3 - Having your bowels burned to ashes
01:15:40 The church today wants to claim these penalties did not exist
01:20:45 Clothing used in the endowment vs. Masonic ceremony
01:21:35 Masonic symbols that were brought to the Mormon temple
01:23:20 The subjective use of parallels
01:25:00 Taking the Occam’s Razor Look at the LDS Endowment and Masonry
01:29:00 The final section of the Now You Know video
01:30:50 The temple and the oath of vengeance
01:32:30 Cursing the leaders of the USA in the temple
01:36:00 Takeaways of the LDS Church using the temple to curse enemies
01:37:10 Adam-God doctrine in the Mormon temple
01:39:40 God allowed Adam-God into the temple ceremony
01:41:15 Seeing the forest through the trees
01:44:50 Joseph Smith is the one who declares these ideas are from God
01:51:30 Conclusions and takeaways
LDS Discussions Playlist: Joseph Smith and Treasure Digging | E...
Episode Show Notes: https://mormonstories.org/podcast/tem...
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Covered topics include the timeline of Joseph becoming a Master Mason before introducing the similarly-themed rituals of the Temple Endowment Ceremony, why many members and apologists claim Masonry to be of ancient origin despite evidence to the contrary, the many parallels between the secret rituals of both organizations, and whether or not the Temple Endowment involved false doctrines.
LDS Discussion Essay on the Temple & Masonry: http://ldsdiscussions.com/temple
LDS Discussions Playlist: Joseph Smith and Treasure Digging | E...
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:50 What we will and won’t cover in this episode
00:04:35 Timeline of Joseph Smith becoming a Mason and the endowment
00:07:30 The church’s “Now you know” video on Masonry and the Temple
00:10:20 Trying to normalize Masonry in 19th century America
00:12:45 The church implies that Masonry had a divine origin
00:16:04 Early members believed it was divine because Joseph said it was
00:21:19 More quotes about Masonry being the original endowment
00:22:15 Two more quotes on the endowment and masonry
00:24:15 Joseph taught masonry was the endowment - He was wrong
00:28:57 Even the church admit the lines of history and myth were blurred
00:36:00 The church seeks to explain why Joseph used surrounding ideas
00:36:30 The church can no longer deny Joseph used surrounding ideas
00:38:15 A quick recap of ideas Joseph took from his milieu
00:43:10 Similarities and difference between masonry and the endowment
00:47:35 Trying to have it both ways on the Masonic connections
00:51:00 The Masonic text before receiving the tokens/grips
00:57:40 These are not just “parallels” as the church declares
01:02:45 More parallels to the Masonic ceremony
01:06:30 The Five Points of Fellowship (now removed)
01:09:00 Penalties for revealing the signs and tokens (mostly removed)
01:10:05 Penalty #1 - Having my throat cut across
01:11:50 Penalty #2 - Having your heart plucked out
01:12:45 Penalty #3 - Having your bowels burned to ashes
01:15:40 The church today wants to claim these penalties did not exist
01:20:45 Clothing used in the endowment vs. Masonic ceremony
01:21:35 Masonic symbols that were brought to the Mormon temple
01:23:20 The subjective use of parallels
01:25:00 Taking the Occam’s Razor Look at the LDS Endowment and Masonry
01:29:00 The final section of the Now You Know video
01:30:50 The temple and the oath of vengeance
01:32:30 Cursing the leaders of the USA in the temple
01:36:00 Takeaways of the LDS Church using the temple to curse enemies
01:37:10 Adam-God doctrine in the Mormon temple
01:39:40 God allowed Adam-God into the temple ceremony
01:41:15 Seeing the forest through the trees
01:44:50 Joseph Smith is the one who declares these ideas are from God
01:51:30 Conclusions and takeaways
LDS Discussions Playlist: Joseph Smith and Treasure Digging | E...
Episode Show Notes: https://mormonstories.org/podcast/tem...
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Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:
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